From Jessica at nfcb.org Mon May 11 12:36:38 2009 From: Jessica at nfcb.org (Jessica Rand) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:36:38 -0700 Subject: [Nfcbwebtech] NFCB is now on Twitter and Facebook Message-ID: <13935DD51733714D961F3DC1183FEE18538531@nfcb-core.NFCB.local> Greetings! NFCB is now on Facebook and Twitter. Become a fan on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=twitter&init=q&sid=40e90374df069b33a2909 0902c52fbfe and follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/NFCB for regular daily updates and discussions about what is going on in Community Radio. Carol will be supplying feeds and member stations that are hosting an event or something they'd like to promote are also welcome to send us that information. We look forward to NFCB having a strong online presence and providing accessible information for you. Jessica Rand Communications Coordinator, NFCB 1970 Broadway Suite 1000 Oakland, CA 94612 (510) 451-8200 x301 www.nfcb.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.lmi.net/pipermail/nfcbwebtech/attachments/20090511/4b7d6e52/attachment.html From Jessica at nfcb.org Wed May 13 11:45:28 2009 From: Jessica at nfcb.org (Jessica Rand) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:45:28 -0700 Subject: [Nfcbwebtech] NFCB is on Twitter and Facebook Message-ID: <13935DD51733714D961F3DC1183FEE18538541@nfcb-core.NFCB.local> Hi All, For a quick daily NFCB update become a fan on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/pages/National-Federation-of-Community-Broadcast ers/72740692827 and follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/NFCB Stay connected with what is going on in Community Radio! Jessica Rand Communications Coordinator, NFCB 1970 Broadway Suite 1000 Oakland, CA 94612 (510) 451-8200 x301 www.nfcb.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.lmi.net/pipermail/nfcbwebtech/attachments/20090513/dd05b049/attachment.html From news at wfhb.org Thu May 21 21:15:37 2009 From: news at wfhb.org (Chad Carrothers, WFHB) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 00:15:37 -0400 Subject: [Nfcbwebtech] what bitrate do you archive at? (news programming) Message-ID: <4A1626E9.7040107@wfhb.org> Wondering what bitrate other stations use to archive MP3 audio both on the web and internally. At WFHB we've been maintaining parallel MP3 archives of all our locally-produced news programming, one called "Web Audio" that's all 80kbps for posting online, and a second archive called "Vault Audio" at 192kbps. Maintaining two archives has become quite cumbersome and I'm considering shifting to a single vault at 128kbps. So my questions are: What bitrates do you archive at? Mono or stereo? Do you use different bitrates depending on whether it's for the web or not? For web audio, do you think the extra download time of a 128kbps file versus an 80kbps file is a big deal? Of course I'll still keep "trophy" audio tucked away safely as AIFFs, WAVs, and high-quality MP3s - I'm asking mainly about the day-to-day stuff - newscasts, talk shows, modules, etc. - almost entirely 5-minute, 30-minute, and 60-minute programs. Please email me directly at news at wfhb.org if you care to share your specs and your valuable opinion! -- Chad Carrothers, News Director WFHB 91.3 / 98.1 / 100.7 / 106.3 FM 108 W. 4th Street Bloomington, IN 47404 (812) 323-1200 http://news.wfhb.org From ken at wfmu.org Sat May 23 09:17:21 2009 From: ken at wfmu.org (Ken Freedman) Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:17:21 -0400 Subject: [Nfcbwebtech] what bitrate do you archive at? (news programming) In-Reply-To: <4A1626E9.7040107@wfhb.org> References: <4A1626E9.7040107@wfhb.org> Message-ID: We archive at 128kbps stereo MP3, and 64kbps stereo MP4. We are phasing out our 20k mono realaudio archives. MP4 (AAC+) gives you MUCH better audio at a lower bitrate than MP3. Our 64k MP4 archives sound as goood if not better than our 128kbps MP3s. Alas, we are now cutting off our dialup users from accessing our archives. But our dialup users can still listen live. -Ken On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Chad Carrothers, WFHB wrote: > Wondering what bitrate other stations use to archive MP3 audio both on > the web and internally. At WFHB we've been maintaining parallel MP3 > archives of all our locally-produced news programming, one called "Web > Audio" that's all 80kbps for posting online, and a second archive called > "Vault Audio" at 192kbps. Maintaining two archives has become quite > cumbersome and I'm considering shifting to a single vault at 128kbps. > So my questions are: > > What bitrates do you archive at? Mono or stereo? > Do you use different bitrates depending on whether it's for the web or not? > For web audio, do you think the extra download time of a 128kbps file > versus an 80kbps file is a big deal? > > Of course I'll still keep "trophy" audio tucked away safely as AIFFs, > WAVs, and high-quality MP3s - I'm asking mainly about the day-to-day > stuff - newscasts, talk shows, modules, etc. - almost entirely 5-minute, > 30-minute, and 60-minute programs. Please email me directly at > news at wfhb.org if you care to share your specs and your valuable opinion! > > > -- > Chad Carrothers, News Director > WFHB 91.3 / 98.1 / 100.7 / 106.3 FM > 108 W. 4th Street > Bloomington, IN 47404 > (812) 323-1200 > http://news.wfhb.org > > _______________________________________________ > Nfcbwebtech mailing list > Nfcbwebtech at mailman.lmi.net > http://mailman.lmi.net/mailman/listinfo/nfcbwebtech > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.lmi.net/pipermail/nfcbwebtech/attachments/20090523/c1f34ae8/attachment.html From ad202 at flintradio.org Sun May 24 23:04:53 2009 From: ad202 at flintradio.org (al davis) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:04:53 -0400 Subject: [Nfcbwebtech] what bitrate do you archive at? (news programming) In-Reply-To: <4A1626E9.7040107@wfhb.org> References: <4A1626E9.7040107@wfhb.org> Message-ID: <200905250204.53477.ad202@flintradio.org> On Friday 22 May 2009, Chad Carrothers, WFHB wrote: > Wondering what bitrate other stations use to archive MP3 > audio both on the web and internally. We are not on the air yet, still trying to settle. It looks like the most likely plan is to archive everything in 45kbps (VBR, -q -1) ogg-vorbis, and keep high quality copies of programs at 256k (VBR -q 8) ogg-vorbis when we really want to preserve it. The 45k ogg-vorbis lets us store a whole week on a dvd, and the quality is good enough that we could rebroadcast it if we must. The quality isn't perfect, but it is better than a lot of broadcasts I hear that have badly adjusted audio processing. I consider the choice of ogg-vorbis vs. ACC or MP3 to be mostly political. Ignoring the political side, ogg-vorbis sounds better to me than MP3 at the same bit rate. When you say "archive" I take that to mean for many years, so a guarantee that the technology will still be available, and will be ported to new hardware, is important. Ogg-vorbis has no patents, and has truly free open-source implementations. This means that even if it never becomes mainstream it will always be available. MP3 has patent issues, but has open-source implementations and is widespread enough that it probably won't go away. I do not have confidence that ACC will be here to stay. It has patent issues, and as far as I know no free-open- source implementations. I am not sure what we will do for web audio. It seems that the only format that really works everywhere is fixed-bit-rate MP3, so that seems necessary no matter what. What actually comes out will depend on what the software does, which has not been determined yet. > Please email me directly at news at wfhb.org if you > care to share your specs and your valuable opinion! Please post, so we can all benefit.